The Hellik Pacification Agreement

[Kinghy]

Samoeria
It has recently come to the attention of the Republic that a band of extremely dangerous space pirates have been raging throughout the Galaxy for quite some time. While their current attack on the Gailites is their most high-profile attack, I believe that they must be stopped, if not for the good of the Gailites for the good of yourselves. Such a powerful force which holds no qualms about destroying an innocent people shall not be tolerated under our watch. Thereby, Samoeria believes that the Hellik should be permanently and irrevocably pacified as soon as possible, hopefully during the Battle for Gailia.
We ask now for allies, for the fleet is daunting in its power. I remind you that this is not about the Gailites, it is about International Law and safety for freedom.

Mokuga
That's... {wipes tear} that's so beautiful. We will enter this war! Unless, that is, the Hellik Dictation Fleet immediately pays the Imperium 10 Billion Galactic Credits.

Samoeria
WHAT?

Mokuga
We're all for making the Galaxy safe, but moreso are we for profit.

Samoeria
Alright, that's the last straw! I'm leaving you.

Mokuga
W-What? But I- I-
{Another Mokugan diplomat comes onscreen}
The offer still stands.

[bverd759]

Grand Marshal Aleksander Johnkal:

We have yet to do anything besides this, and with this, we will instate a new democracy in the Gailite Empire, if that is what you so want.

As far as our history goes, we have not caused any international problems in any way, shape or form. This arrival was mostly to prevent the nation from completely destroying itself and killing many civilians.

OOC: In the stangatu history: "One nation in particular helped them in the hardest of times, that nation being Samoeria. They did their best to learn as much as possible from them and spread the knowledge around their nation." The Samoerians are the ones to help us, so they would rather not hurt the nation that saved them from many attacks.

Though now they're government is based upon a military dictatorship, they are in no way directly evil.

[hibernatingeek]

they seem quite evil. with all the invading and imposing and all. just sayin

[bverd759]

OOC: if imposing democracy is a crime, then they are guilty of that.

Felsworn Ambassador:

As far as your method of dealing with them, Samoeria...I would rather not believe a complete genocide is necessary to deal with a rotten government.

Grand Marshal Aleksander Johnkal:

Well of all people, i wouldn't expect the Felsworn fellow to be defending me...which raises the question, why are you defending us? Becau-

Felsworn Ambassador:

I would rather not encourage our past leaders' actions by supporting what sounds like Samoeria attempting to convince everyone that genocide is openly the right thing to do. Bad leaders make bad nations, not the entire nation.

Grand Marshal Aleksander Johnkal:

Pfft...your so kind...

[El Maxo]

Savior
Extortion? Not a big deal. Going around strip mining planets? Despicable, even if they aren't inhabited, although I'm sure there are those certain inhabited planets that slip past the radar... just wait until I have my proof!

Oh, yes, let's not forget that imposing governments on other nations is also bad, especially you're doing it by force when the situation could easily be remedied with diplomacy. In fact, it could have even worked itself out without any outside influence. You are merely bullying a nation into your fascist and dogmatic beliefs, likely to further another dark agenda you're working on.

Third, Sameoria and I are not imposing a genocide, but a surrender. We do not wish to kill anybody, merely to dismantle the use of your war-machines and world-destroyers.

Perhaps if you were not fascist, government imposing, brutality-encouraging, planet-mining power mongers, we would not be asking for the full extradition of your nation and instead take less severe actions. Unfortunately, you are exactly what I described, and our demand still stands. We wish to pacify your bully of a nation.

Surrender your fleet of war and savagery, or be destroyed. We would much prefer the prior, if you would be so kind.

[bverd759]

OOC:
1st Paragraph: Extorting that an entire nation will be forced into a war so the nation can make money? yes, very wrong; No, they dont strip mine inhabited planets, because if they did, people would hate them more. Being a giant fleet of "space pirates" that are watched by the galactic facists (samoeria), they can't do that or they would get in serious trouble. Get information right before you go posting in character eh?

2nd Paragraph: Once again, if you read properly, it would have been obvious. They are putting in a democracy. Which is exactly the same thing that Samoeria would have done anyway, so we aren't doing anything that the Samoerians wouldn't have already done. They wouldn't exactly let the Gailites turn into a dictatorship again. So no, they aren't actually bullying them into beliefs that Samoeria is already very likely to do. Wether through physical violence, or spoken word.

3rd Paragraph: Well im sorry if his post suggests the obvious (also sam told me outside the forum that it would entitle a genocide to protect the galaxy). By killing an entire race you fix the problem? Mabye if you dismantle the leadership it would not be so bad eh? Not to mention, that the agreements that the Samoerians tried to feed them weren't exactly fair in any way. They treated the entire nation like the leader instead of the leader himself being treated like the ass hole he is.

4th Paragraph: yes they are fascists, no they aren't imposing (anything that samoeria wouldn't do anyway), yes brutally encouraging, and yes they are mining mongers (but not on inhabitted worlds). I think if you thought about it, just killing the leader and letting them start off somewhere new would be better.

5th Paragraph: They won't surrender under Samoeria's wants, because even though they want peace, they are diplomatically asking for way to much. So basically, their nation gets treated like a slave and can't be self sufficient, yes they tooooootally want to do that. Think how fucking rediculous that is.

Just kill the leader or something, that would be much better then genociding an entire race.

[El Maxo]

OOC: A debate! Oh boy!

"Extorting that an entire nation will be forced into a war so the nation can make money? yes, very wrong"
It's more like paying for a peace treaty, although it is extortion. In Savior's opinion, it isn't good, but it's also not as bad as most other things the Hellik have done.

"No, they dont strip mine inhabited planets,"
That's not what you said earlier. You're only changing that right now so you look better.

"space pirates"
I never said anything about being space pirates. Sameoria did.

"They are putting in a democracy. Which is exactly the same thing that Samoeria would have done anyway, so we aren't doing anything that the Samoerians wouldn't have already done."
First of all, they may have gone with a democracy with out any intervention what-so-ever. Second, Sameoria has just as much power to put a democracy in place as anybody else and we would have been staunchly opposed to their doing so if it meant flying over their home world, killing the rebels and forcing the old system back in.

"By killing an entire race you fix the problem? Mabye if you dismantle the leadership it would not be so bad eh? Not to mention, that the agreements that the Samoerians tried to feed them weren't exactly fair in any way. They treated the entire nation like the leader instead of the leader himself being treated like the ass hole he is."
You know, the whole Hellik fleet just seems like a load of bad. Their entire nation is a fleet of war vessels that can only survive by strip mining planets. What good are they doing the galaxy? None at all.

"yes they are fascists, no they aren't imposing (anything that samoeria wouldn't do anyway), yes brutally encouraging, and yes they are mining mongers (but not on inhabitted worlds). I think if you thought about it, just killing the leader and letting them start off somewhere new would be better."
You just proved my point and no, killing the leader would only fix some of the problems. The fact that they are nothing but a wandering fleet of destruction and desolation is still a problem.

"So basically, their nation gets treated like a slave and can't be self sufficient, yes they tooooootally want to do that. Think how fucking rediculous that is."
Well, actually, you won't really be a nation anymore at all. I believe the deal would be that you are somehow dissovled and assimilated across the galaxy, your population becoming a part of everyone else's.

"Just kill the leader or something, that would be much better then genociding an entire race."
Just killing the leader won't solve the major issues and we are not suggesting genocide, we are suggesting surrender.

[Kinghy]

OOC:
Now now, we don't want to genocide anyone, just stop them from ever being a military power. They can still remain a fully autonomous nation so long as they don't build any warships. Ever. Also, they wouldn't be slaves because we wouldn't be making them do anything. Anyway, Samoeria is still perfectly happy with going to war if they won't agree. Heck, the Majority Leader needs those poll numbers.

[kaso]

OOC: All this talk of removing leaders from power and installing democracies...brian, are you a neo-conservative bush loyalist? Also just because one favors democracy and has the means to attempt to force it on someone does not mean they should. The entire idea of forcing a democracy is an oxymoron.

[Kinghy]

OOC: Interestingly, in this context the nation in question was actually becoming a democracy already. Also, the Hellik were originally trying to make it back into a terrible dictatorship. Its actually worse than it seems. So yeah, that's why the Stankatu need to be locked up.

[Kinghy]

bverd759 said:

Felsworn Ambassador:

Felsworn is asking other fellow nations to declare international trial on Mokuga for extortion in international affairs.

Mokuga
Say, we didn't notice this before. International trial, you say? For extortion you say? Hmm... interesting idea. Alright, I'm going to spend a lot of time making fun of you, but before I do that I'm going to tell you why that idea doesn't work, just to get it out of the way. There is no international law (and for that matter if there were, it is doubtful that it'd be illegal to refrain from a war for financial reason. Now, staring a war for purely financial reasons [as you Felsworn are fond of doing] would be wrong, but the Stangatu actually deserve to be destroyed). Now then, back to our main topic: Felsworn Allegiance and his big fucking mouth, which is going to get him in trouble... soon.
I must wonder, Mr. Allegiance, do you want war? Do you want your people to scream in agony as we vaporize their world and take their women? Do you have a death-wish? I can't see why. You really seem to enjoy your position of power, you seem to think it gives you the right to threaten other people with impunity, to say awful, offensive things about obviously superior races. You are incorrect. The Imperium Draconix recommends you shut the hell up on the issue of Mokugans unless you have something positive to say. We do not believe there is such a thing as an idle threat.

Samoeria
Another typically Mokugan response. I for one believe that an international tribunal for your... less than stellar international conduct might be warranted.

Mokuga
We'll gladly kill all of you also.

Samoeria
I don't feel this attitude is conducive to diplomatic relations.

Mokuga
I don't feel that your attitude is conducive to said, being as it is beginning to piss me off, which in turn causes diplomatic relations to decline.

Samoeria
What happened to the kind, sweet man that you used to be?

Mokuga
I'm a rebel, baby.

Samoeria
I am so hot for you right now.

Mokuga
Someone turn off the transmission.

[bverd759]

admin said:

bverd759 said:

Felsworn Ambassador:

Felsworn is asking other fellow nations to declare international trial on Mokuga for extortion in international affairs.

Now, staring a war for purely financial reasons [as you Felsworn are fond of doing] would be wrong, but the Stangatu actually deserve to be destroyed).

Felsworn Allegiance:

Felsworn have never done such, just incase you were too stupid to know. Saying lies in a diplomatic channel only makes you look stupid.

Your pretending of superiority only makes you look weaker. If you were more powerful then us, you wouldn't have to bootlessly flaunt it in a threatening manner. Unfortunately, you have put us into a position where we have to back down because we don't want atrophy to effect our relations any farther then this statement from the council alone already has. So enjoy sitting on your fake throne of power Mokuga.

We are not sure if this directly comes from the Mokugan nation, but it seems like his anger shows enough alone.

On a side note, you two should be fired for unrelated and indecent speaking in a diplomatic channel.

OOC: lol, mokugan and samoerian love.
also, lol open threats.